Mariam Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 We recently had an incident where two of the nurses taking care of a baby on nitric oxide fainted, and one doctor complained of lightheadedness. We had the respiratory therapiest check for any leak but he found the connections are ok and that there is no leak. I wonder if anybody had the same incident and what they did to overcome it. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 We use nitric oxide very frequently in our NICU. The principal complaint with nurses or doctors is headache/lightheadedness. I did a internet search for similar complaints but most of the studies proved it safe. I think the problem is not with any leak. But the nitrogen dioxide which is released into the air from the expiratory port of the ventilator. Also the Nitric Oxide coming out of the expiratory valve/port of your ventilator will rapidly combine with atmospheric oxygen and form NO2. The problem with NO2 is that it is very toxic and most probably the symptoms which your staff are complaining could be ascribed to NO2. ( This is just an assumption, No hard data) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Johansson Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Have any of you approached the manufacturer about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest burnsdd@comcast.net Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 We have also had complaints about dizziness,headache and eye irritation. We have had nitric hoods and cannulas used in our unit. In the beginning it was worse but now it seems people might be getting used to it or we have refined our aministration methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest urai06 Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I have been used iNO with SLE respirator,so the NO2 that come out was trapped in expiratory port and not go out to environment.We did not have the problem like this but sometime iNo leak out to environment but we don't have any problem. Uraiwan ,Bangkok ,Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RespSci Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Dear Mariam. I am not sure that I will be able to answer your questions fully. Many years ago when our NICU decided to start using inhaled NO therapy we were concerned about the safety aspects associated with NO therapy. I contacted other iNO users and was told of similar stories to what you have described. I was also told of staff complaining of headaches, blurred vision and pregnant staff refusing to work with iNO therapy. We could not find any corroborating evidence to these anecdotes. We were concerned about environmental NO in our NICU as at that time were contemplating using it up to 80 ppm! Further investigations showed that the environmental NO levels would be higher in busy inner-city streets and smoky bars. I recall that a study was published (from France I think) which showed that the environmental NO level was higher in the outside air sample than in the NICU with iNO therapy running. However, we decided to do two things before we introduced iNO therapy into our unit. We installed an Active/Passive scavenger to our ventilator exhaust port to remove NO product out of our NICU. We also included in the NO therapy training a session on the health and safety aspects of NO and demonstrated the low risk of exposure to environmental NO product within our NICU. We have not had a documented case of dizziness, nausea etc or refusal of staff to work, associated with our iNO therapy. I recall a visit to our NICU by a couple of German doctors. They were quite surprised to see us using a iNO scavenger system as they said that it was not necessary. When I explained that the benefit was to ensure the safety of our staff and that we had not had any issues regarding illness or staffing iNO therapy, they agreed that it was for the best. Some year later we purchased an INOvent that when set up, includes a test for checking for NO leaks during the “Purge and Performance” test. As for your situation I would suggest the following. Check all of your iNO delivery and monitoring system for leaks. If not in use already, install an Active/Passive scavenger system to your ventilator exhaust port. I have heard that an active charcoal filter can be used instead. Monitor your environmental NO and NO 2 levels during iNO therapy, especially if it is in a small room. Environmental monitors are available from mining and engineering suppliers, you don’t have to get a medical monitor to do that. Also calculate a theoretical environmental NO level. Measure the volume of the room and then find out the efficiency of that rooms air duct/air conditioner. That should tell you how often the air in the room is “refreshed”. Determine the maximum NO input into that room by using the maximum delivered NO and ventilator flow rate (eg 40 ppm at 10 L/min). Using these measurements you should be able to approximate the maximum theoretical environmental NO in that room. You have described an association between iNO therapy and staff illness. If iNO therapy turns out to have caused the problem, then you will have to do everything to ensure your staffs safety. If iNO therapy did not cause your staff’s illness, then you will have to everything to restore your staff’s confidence that iNO therapy is not a risk to their health and safety. I hope this has helped and wish you all the best. I would be interested in hearing of the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariam Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share Posted August 29, 2007 Thanks to you all I am forewarding your advices to the administrator and to the Respiratory therapist and see what can be done. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antares Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 I personally have experienced "nitric headaches" as well as nausea when caring for infants on NCPAP or ventilator based inotherapy, however, when I brought this up to an Inotherapeutics rep, she said that any escaped gas would be so diluted by the time it reached you, that there should be no effects. She also said that there has been no evidence found that shows that iNO causes caregiver side effects. As for me, I am convinced that it is the cause of headaches and nausea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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