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  1. 1. I apologise if this topic has already been covered. We’re currently discussing severe BPD cases, particularly infants who remain in the NICU beyond a corrected age of 44+0 weeks, with some even nearing six months. These prolonged stays bring unique challenges, such as the need for specialised training, appropriate equipment, and specific emergency protocols. For example, if a baby at a corrected age of four months experiences a collapse, should the team initiate resuscitation using an NLS/NRP approach, or should an APLS code be applied? In my experience, only one unit had a clear policy to guide these situations. I’d be very interested to hear how your units handle such cases.

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    • APLS/PALS
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I apologise if this topic has already been covered. We’re currently discussing severe BPD cases, particularly infants who remain in the NICU beyond a corrected age of 44+0 weeks, with some even nearing six months. These prolonged stays bring unique challenges, such as the need for specialised training, appropriate equipment, and specific emergency protocols. For example, if a baby at a corrected age of four months experiences a collapse, should the team initiate resuscitation using an NLS/NRP approach, or should an APLS code be applied?

 

In my experience, only one unit had a clear policy to guide these situations. I’d be very interested to hear how your units handle such cases.

  • Stefan Johansson changed the title to Severe BPD and prolonged stay in NICU

I recognize that you are asking about our units policies, but as I primarily do clinical research, I have stumbled upon these two papers regarding the topic of transitioning from NPT to PALS. So for everybody looking for current evidence, you don't have to google anymore- this is what is out there ;) 

1) brief communication in Journal of Perinatology, 2021, team from Wisconsin describing their strategy of transitioning from NPR to PALS

"Utilization of PALS for infants was based on the following criteria: >44 weeks post menstrual age (PMA), previous non-PDA cardiac surgery or intervention, or obvious identified cardiac arrhythmia. Each week, the care team leader identified which patients qualified for PALS and ensured appropriate signage was posted in each patient’s room." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9617750/

 

2) "Considerations on the Use of Neonatal and Pediatric Resuscitation Guidelines for Hospitalized Neonates and Infants" from AAP, 2023 : "When Should Teams Transition From Neonatal to Pediatric Resuscitation Guidelines?
As the cardiopulmonary physiology of the newborn transitions to that of the neonate and infant, the evidence upon which the neonatal resuscitation guidelines are based becomes less applicable. Therefore, it makes sense to transition from neonatal to pediatric resuscitation guidelines at some point during the first days, weeks, or months after birth. (...) There are no scientific data to answer the question of when to transition from neonatal to pediatric resuscitation guidelines." However, they mention that studies are needed on optimal resuscitation protocols for infants with certain conditions, including BPD. https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/153/1/e2023064681/196216/Considerations-on-the-Use-of-Neonatal-and

3) And actually, a similar topic has appeared here- almost 15 years ago. It seems these questions are still valid!

 

I haven't found a single answer regarding the NPR vs PALS management for infants with severe BPD though. 

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Thank you so much for these valuable resources. It’s quite telling that there aren’t many research or consensus papers on the topic. I believe it’s a logistical issue. Most NICU staff are trained in NRP/NLS, and it’s challenging to retrain everyone to a different resuscitation protocol. However, I’m curious to know: is there an age or condition after which NLS/NRP can cause harm?

  • 4 weeks later...
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Not the best sample size, but I’m surprised that those who answered chose APLS/PALS over continuing NLS/NRP.

 

Here are the results I obtained from Twitter. 

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  • Author

I’m not certain if evidence-based practice plays a role in this, but I believe it’s related to logistics. Most of the NICU staff will be trained in NLS/NRP, and I imagine that not many require training in APLS/PALS. However, there are other factors to consider, such as equipment (like a cuffed ETT) and drug dosages. In places where the NICU is part of a hospital that also includes pediatric services, if a child collapses, they call the pediatric crash team. 

  • 2 weeks later...

It's great to have discussion on this topic. I would prefer NRP over PALS in babies in the NICU, as it is not a one-man show here; it's the whole team in resuscitation with a shared mental model. If the whole team is comfortable with PALS, then go ahead and do the PALS algorithm, and if the whole team is NRP-tuned, then the NRP algorithm. Is it because to avoid confusion whether to attempt chest compression first (PALS) vs. intubation first (NRP)? It's also when to give epinephrine and what dose. Most of the babies in the NICU still have respiratory causes of deterioration and not cardiac arrhythmias as their cause of deterioration. 

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